One Paseo Alternatives Comment Period

There is an update to the One Paseo DEIR, which includes alternatives that were not in the Original One Paseo DEIR. Because this is new information, new comments are being accepted on the updates. Comments are due on December 10, 2013. The important documents are the Notice of Availability and the New One Paseo Alternatives.

The City is asking that comments be limited to the new documents. Complete details on comments are included in the Notice of Availability, which says, "Your comments must be received by December 10, 2013 to be included in the final document considered by the decision-making authorities. Please send your written comments to: Martha Blake, Environmental Planner, City of San Diego Development Services Center, 1222 First Avenue, MS 501, San Diego, CA 92101 or e-mail your comments to DSDEAS@sandiego.gov with the Project Number in the subject line."

Additionally, there are three new traffic appendicies along with the alternatives document. Here is a complete list of all new documents:

For reference, the old, original One Paseo DEIR here.

10 Comments

New DEIR

There is an incredible lack of creativity in these options.  All of this Carmel Valley area seems to have been developed within current zoning rules, and these guys cannot come up with anything better?  NO NO NO!!

 

One Paseo Per Se

Outrageous nightmare for us homeowners.  I have owned a condo in the area since 1995.  Kilroy has decimated all of Carmel Valley including off Valley Center Drive without any regard to anyone living there at all.  Kilroy is not a homeowner, family nor environmentally friendly Developer.

Troubling proposal(s)

Thank you for your efforts to fight overdevelopment.  I've had a baseline level of stress ever since the One Paseo signs went up on the property years ago and all of the proposals put forward since have done nothing to assuage my fears.  My 2 main concerns, like most residents, are traffic and noise.  We live along El Camino Real north of Del Mar Heights Road and the road noise is already a serious problem.  And getting to/from I-5 via Del Mar Heights Rd during the morning and evening rush is a daily struggle. 

Personally, I can't think of any personal needs that aren't already met by local merchants.  And more housing??  I don't think so.  While I'd love to see the space remain open, I'm a realist and (sadly) understand it's only a matter of time before the lot is developed.  If I had to choose any of the 3 weak proposals described, I'd pick the last: "Specialty Food Market Retail" since it has the smallest negative impact on the community.  But I'd love to see Kilroy be forced to submit a proposal in line with the space and the community which will be served.

No solution for I-5 backup during rush hours

When Del Mar Heights road becomes a parking lot during rush hours expect adding another hour commute each day, following Sorrento Valley's example.

For people who have high hopes on more shops, check out the plaza at Mira Mesa/I805. It's a pretty busy place during lunch hours, but almost a ghost town in the evening. Yes you can build a Trader Joe's there, but who with the right mind will shop there when traffic only opens up after 8:00PM?

Before I-5 adds more lanes from down town to Oceanside building One Paseo equals killing Carmel Valley. No alternatives can solve the "SNMs," kudos for the report to be honest on that.

Reality check

Coming from the viewpoint of an individual who was born and raised in Carmel Valley, and having seen what has happened to it since the late 1980's, I would like to add my honest take on One Paseo.  

The developers of Carmel Valley have shown an utter disregard fro the residents who live there.  I do not believe I would be remiss in stating most of the residents in Carmel Valley already find the entire Highlands area to be a complete nightmare.  In fact, I would argue residents find Carmel Valley a much more frustrating and unpleasant place to live than they did perhaps 15 years ago.

What we seem to have forgotten in our culture these days is there should be different places zoned very clearly for different purposes.  Carmel Valley is a quiet suburban neighborhood, and while having a few regular-sized shopping malls, such as Piazza Carmel, or the original highlands development is a necessary and welcome addition to homeowners, what subsequently has happened definitely is not.  

For example, I don't think many (if any) residents really care how much money the owners of the Highlands poured into remodeling it a few years ago.  People don't care.  They aren't going to the Highlands for their 25th wedding anniversary or to shop at Nordstrom.  Residents go to the Highlands to buy groceries, catch a flick, or take 6 year old Susie to her birthday party at Red Robin.  

Unfortunately, Red Robbin isn't there anymore, as clearly the developer didn't seem to care about the thousands of Carmel Valley residents who found it to be the only family appropriate party restaurant in the area.  Economically, it made no sense at all to get rid of Red Robin, it was a heavy profit turner and was always packed.  Nope, they probably weren't "upscale" enough for the area, whatever that is supposed to mean.  No more birthday parties for Susie, oh well.

Unfortunately, you can't take your family to the movies anymore either.  Oh, there's a theater alright, but it's a swanky, upscale, "catered" theater, with leather reclining chairs.  Not exactly a great place to take your kids.  Oh but wait, that's ok, because clearly are no kids living in Carmel Valley, right? 

Unfortunately, it's hard to buy groceries at the Highlands, these days, too.  The congestion from all the other retail outlets and the corporate yuppies grabbing lunch is so awful, it's almost impossible to find a place to park to visit Ralphs.  The original purpose and intent of the Highlands was for people to buy groceries.  This is suburbia, not Westfield Shopping Town. 

Ironically, I think most residents think the newly remodeled Highlands is pretty inconvenient.  Lots of overdone ornamentation which nobody will ever appreciate or notice while shopping and overpriced boutique shops which don't offer items of basic convenience to the local residents.  All because it seems the developer simply wants to try to turn the Highlands into a smaller version of UTC, which as demonstrated above, is totally absurd.  6 year old Susie does not care about fancy stores and vine-trellised stucco when she is crying because she can't have her birthday at Red Robin anymore as it is now gone.

The Highlands was the local mall for groceries, the bank, and the theater.   It no longer effectively serves that purpose and has been converted into a logistical nightmare which gives the local residents a migraine every time they are forced to partake.  The last thing we need is a Highlands 2.0 across the street, making Carmel Valley an even more unpleasant place to live.  

Ultimately, the developers will argue One Paseo is about their bottom line profit, as in: how much will the sales from the stores allow them to charge for rent?  I would argue this is irrelevant, and none of our concern as residents.   The developer's profit margin is their problem and not ours, and the community needs to stand up and tell the One Paseo developers to take a hike.   

Kitchy, cheap, supply-side-based retail stores are an insignificant drop in the bucket as compared to Carmel Valley's real economic value: a pleasant place to live for tens of thousands of doctors, lawyers, teachers, businessmen, professors, engineers, etc. who wish to live in peace and quiet.  These individuals are the movers and shakers of our society; not shopping malls, especially when the market in question (Carmel Valley) is already saturated.  

To the residents, One Paseo and what was done to the Highlands across the street is a daily annoyance. Perhaps our city should focus on making Carmel Valley a more pleasant place to live instead of cravenly bowing to these tacky retail-outlet developers.   The people who live in Carmel Valley are an important and wealthy demographic of our society, and they certainly deserve better than to be saddled with another retail development which further congests and plugs up the place which they call home.   

The One Paceo project needs a radical re-work

The developer has clearly stuck with a business model which requires a massive project in order to cover the development cost and to generate profit. A brief review of the impact on our community shows that even reduced version of the One Paceo  will be so significant that it will change the entire character of our living environment.  The construction site is located in the center of the Del Mar- Carmel Valley neighborhood and will affect everyone.  Multi-level properties and parking structures  will produce unwanted additional traffic in already congested streets and freeways. It will create totally different skyline dominating everything around.  Projected noise level will be so significant that a wall has to be installed to keep it below an unhealthy limit. Both the original and the revised One Paceo proposals must be rejected until it is radically revised.

Traffic Noise/Driving Risks

When I first moved to Carmel Valley 10 years ago--IT WAS QUIET.  El Camino Blvd traffic noise was minimal--no accidents, few emergency police or fire sirens, few cars or semi-trucks traveling the streets after 10 pm.  However,  developments started on El Camino blvd with a police station, skate park, the increased mall developments, new hotels, business buildings and the associated traffi that goes with it.

Traffic accidents on El Camino Blvd now make the 10 o'clock news and are NOT simple fender benders.   The timing of the traffic lights are such that all drivers claim they had the green light.  It isn't a safe drive now--not going to get safer with congestion.

There are a number of schools in the area which will be at risk especially for younger students as they walk home by, around  and through the Del Mar Heights Mall.  There are also lines of cars wth parents picking up students adding to the congestion.  City planning is suppose to plan for land use that minimizes risks for children, parents and the elderly.  It is very evident that there is no consideration for residents because the development efforts are geared to attract outsiders.

Finally, parking is most unjust for the disabled and elderly.  Ask anyone with a placard if they find parking spots during normal business hours for the grocery store, pharmacy or the movie theater. Few are able to use the vallet carts due to physical disability issues. 

 A new strip mall or larger complex will not likely balance the needs of the residents because THE BUILDERS BUILD TO A MARKET SEGMENT THAT WILL SPEND MONEY AT STORES.

 

 

Residential units

My concern with Kelroy's proposals is the number of residential units. I researched condo and apartment developments in CV, north of the 56, and found that the average number of units is 185. 

Nineteen developments have between 100 and 199 units, six have 200 to 262 units, and one has 316. The largest is The Club with 400 units - on 20 acres. 

The Reduced Main Street  proposal is 50% larger than The Club and the Reduced Mixed-use proposal would still be the third largest residential development in CV. 

Kilroy is using the umbrella of mixed use in order to try to build a huge and dense residential development which is completely out of character with CV. 

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